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Aug 25, 2021 at 12:03 am #18394650AshrafKeymaster
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This kind of software is a joke.
Anyone can cut out an object against a solid or almost solid background. But this kind of thing never happens, when you have to do it, it is very often with a very complex background, and even with a very powerful software like Photoshop, it is still a very delicate job to do correctly. And it is not this kind of software that will be able to do something, surely not …Aug 25, 2021 at 5:36 am #18395835keeffyGuest
[@Guido76] Are you saying you tried it and it doesn’t work as advertised or are you just guessing it won’t work which seems to be very unfair criticismAug 25, 2021 at 7:28 pm #18397676GaryGuest
>”This kind of software is a joke.”
But who is laughing?
Since the beginning of Personal Computer programs, many have evolved to fill a niche or do better or simpler than a different program. Background Cut-Out programs evolved as examples. They allow background removal without having to learn a more complex program. If they were not viable products, they would have disappeared long ago. Also, when a niche program comes along and it is a viable product, there will be competitors. For the Cut-Out competition, right off, I found 14 different products. They are not a new concept. It looks like they started around 2007 on the PC OSes. That’s at least 14 years of sticking around, so I do not think these programs can be considered a joke.
If you prefer using PhotoShop or any other program that supports 8bf plug-ins, some of these Cut-Out programs offer the plug-ins. TintGuide Picture Cut-Out is one that offers the filter. All you need to do is copy the 8bf file(s) to the Plug-In folder of your favorite photo editing program. Then you can compare within the same program to see which method you prefer.
After using Photoshop since the version 5 era, I understood the complexity of removing the background of images. When I first saw one of these Cut-Out programs advertised, I too was not expecting much. At least I tried the program instead of thinking it was a joke.Aug 25, 2021 at 10:49 pm #18397991Guido76Guest
Yes, I admit that computers and their software have made a lot of progress; Yes I agree to say that for the average user, these software can present some advantages; and Yes, I also tested Cutout before talking about it.
I have been doing photography for about fifty years and post-processing on a computer for about twenty years. I consider that I have sufficient experience to speak about it, without necessarily thinking that I am an expert. Tell me if you can properly pull off a woman’s hair, or an animal’s fur on a detailed background with Cutout, and then I would be okay to reconsider my point of view.
Whenever we see a demonstration of these “great” softwares, the background is a very blue sky, or a very smooth beach. Give me a link to a site that sells software like Cutout and demonstrates real clipping against an animated street or forest background, and then I’ll watch it with attention and interest. But in the meantime, let’s stop saying that this software or its equivalents do their job “wonderfully”.
And no, I don’t advertise Photoshop, I use other software too!Aug 26, 2021 at 5:04 am #18399151GaryGuest
The main point of my comment is that after 14 years of steadily improving, these types of software are not a joke. Even so, they were not intended on being the “only” solution for removing the background or removing the foreground and rebuilding with the known background.
>”But in the meantime, let’s stop saying that this software or its equivalents do their job “wonderfully”.”
“Wonderfully” would be an opinion so if anyone claims these types of programs do their job wonderfully, it would be a moot point. Maybe the developers might use that wording, I wouldn’t go that far. From the standpoint of what they are intended to do, such as you mention, “very blue sky, or a very smooth beach” they do a very good job and can speed up the entire process I used to do by cloning and rebuilding the background manually.
As for removing a solid background without losing the tiny strands of hair, they can do that too. There is a tutorial for that very thing on one of the first products in this category of software. Keep in mind, I stated, removing the background from a “solid background.”
Granted, when the background is complicated, again as you mentioned, “an animated street or forest background” of course these programs require tweaking of the “selected” areas, no different than GIMP, Photoshop, or any other good photo editors that use layers. Those that do not have layers do not have the “masking” ease of the others, but it is doable given enough time. I worked with photos of a couple’s hike where the husband and wife took turns photographing the others. They wanted to frame one of the photos. Unbeknownst to them, I created one that had everyone in the photo. After choosing it as their favorite shot, then they asked, “Wait, who took this photo?” I created the photo using an early version of MS Paint and printed it on a MIPS printer. Zoomed in, there are no odd or blotchy pixels. They did not know that sort of thing was possible. So given enough time, every pixel can be manipulated to perfection.
I started doing photography in the 60s, so I am probably about a decade older. I thought that I was going to be more in graphics until computers intervened. My career has been as a software developer, first on mainframes, then on the very first PCs (running CP/M before DOS came along) In those very early days of the PC, other software developers often asked other developers to “beta-test” their software as opposed to using the public. Software developers felt a kinship with each other, so they felt that another developer would be more trustworthy and understand the need for a good test. As a result, I got to see several early graphic programs developed before Windows came along, and many of those never got to the production level. I know that I was lucky to get exposure to so many graphics programs. I created a lot of graphics and photographic artwork using the best tools available at the time and still do. I am quite confident in my ability to know and understand these types of programs.
In the early 80s, a photo was considered as substantial proof in a court of law, but that had to change due to the new ability to manipulate photographs using photographic editing software.
My first Pinhole and View Cameras had no intelligence at all; everything depended on the operator. As someone that takes photos, you are aware that modern digital cameras in an Auto mode can recognize when the subject is a portrait or otherwise, and thus can adjust the camera settings for the “most likely” best outcome. Nikon even that that technology in the 70s before digital media was used. Now, look at what cameras and software can do today. Cameras can recognize many more situations. Like bats get a 3D understanding of what is in front of them, some cameras can use sound or light to determine distances. As a result, they can recognize not only a simple portrait but whether it is a group shot, people sitting on a couch, people standing, etc. Software can make the background of a portrait that has everything in focus, look out of focus except for the person, obviously very closely related to what Cutout can do. Video is not left out either. Watermark removal generally leaves a blotchy area behind. The watermark location does not move but the background does. I am working on software that “predicts” what will be in the same area and uses it instead, leaving a clean un-blotched image. Now, with deep-fake technology, any actor’s face (or other body parts) can be replaced. The technical world is changing at a fast pace.
As for “Give me a link to a site that sells software like Cutout and demonstrates real clipping against an animated street or forest background, and then I’ll watch it with attention and interest,” that is not what I do. That will be your task. What I can tell you is that we both know that sort of complicated background removal is currently not possible as an “automated” solution, but I have seen some that can do a pretty good job and faster than I can get to the same point; then I can take over for additional rebuilding. What these background remover software solutions are doing is improving and will continue to advance.
So, let’s let these opinions cook for another five to ten years, then we can revisit the topic to see what has changed. We both might be surprised what these programs can identify and rebuild behind the removed item.
Advancement is going to happen, and that is no joke.Aug 27, 2021 at 12:24 am #18401858Guido76Guest
OK, ok , Gary … you win … by over quota of words in your answer ….Aug 31, 2021 at 7:22 pm #18418311Kantilal NasitGuest
SharewareOnSale exclusive license key: Picture Cutout Guide :
I am NOT able to download from the STEP:
Success > Picture Cutout Guide has been downloaded. Then Clicking on the “Install Now” button the Application file disappears from the saved folder.
Need help to sort out this problem, please.